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#214763 - 12/25/03 11:18 AM Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
trtjazz Offline
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For anyone that mat be interested in venturing a listen, I have finished my vocals cd and is up on my site.
http://imjazzed.homestead.com/currentwork.html

Any constructive feedback is welcomed.
thanks,Terry

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#214764 - 12/28/03 07:01 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Hi Terry,

I finally got a chance to listen to some of your tunes on your latest Vocal Cd project.
Musicly I enjoyed most of the songs, as usual there is a nice easy flow & great guitar work for a very soothing sound.
But honestly I think the vocals need more work especially in the editing EFX & Harmony usuage. Most have too much reverb to my ear. Another thing is that you use Too Much Harmony thruout the songs [right from the begining] which overcasts your real voice that should be Clearly
"UP FRONT" in the mix IMO. I would use the Voc Harmony sparingly as to create a natural sound of a few singers doing background.
Also try a mixed vocal setting Eg:
Mens Choir versus a unison one. Remember these are my opinions only.
Oherwise thanx for sharing and
Happy New Year..

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#214765 - 12/28/03 07:26 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Donny,
Thanks for the valuable input here. I hear what you are saying and the cd really runs the gambit from little or no harmony to too much, to some ears.

IMO, my voice flat with nothing is not all that great and not even that good with the reverb etc., added so I suppose to make it at least somewhat tolerable to my own ears I try to embelish it.

Difficult balance to find just the right amount of everything.
thanks,
Terry

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#214766 - 12/28/03 08:24 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Tery,

Remember...
Rod Stuart.....Willie Nelson....and many other have made millions with NOT such a great voice! Hmmmm get my point?

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#214767 - 12/28/03 11:13 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Donny
I do, but look how bad they look too.
Terry

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#214768 - 12/28/03 11:21 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Hahahahah........

Just close your eyes & let the music take you away!!!..........

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#214769 - 12/28/03 12:37 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Hey Terry .....I found that using a "chorus" effect can thicken you vocal tracks vs. reverb .

You may want add some transposition somewhere in some of your songs .

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#214770 - 12/28/03 01:11 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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DanO,
Thanks for the feedback. I do chorus up on some of the vocals too.
Terry

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#214771 - 12/28/03 02:17 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Terry,

I agree with Donny.
What reverb type do you use most of the time ? Is it the 'room' (short)type ?
I prefer 'Room' reverb for blues or (hard)rock. E.g. In the first song the instruments have a great, bright & long reverb... while your voice has almost none.

I expect the 'hall' or 'concert' or 'large hall' to sound better with your voice. For vocals EQ's to bright/clear sound.

The Harmony voices (Tyros ?) sound too much 'robot'... perhaps you should try the VoiceWorks TC that has voice-thickening, pitch-correction, great reverbs, natural-vibration and non-robot voices.

Perhaps the voice panning is too extreme ?

Again : My opinions !!

Roel

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#214772 - 12/28/03 04:32 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Roel
Thanls for the input. That is the Voiceworks you're hearing on all the harmonies....oh well. Where it is my voice alone what you are hearing is the thickener with pitch correction on.

I do use a live room type reverb though, good ear. The hall reverb always seems too much to my ears.
Terry

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#214773 - 12/28/03 05:45 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Terry, almost everybody thinks his own voice doesn't sound that great.
I would mix yours using a Hall reverb, and as Donny says, emphasize it more and the harmony less.
Good job on the songs.
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#214774 - 12/28/03 06:34 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
trtjazz Offline
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Don,
Thanks for the input and listen, I may try that a bit more on future recordings. Then you guys'll be sorry you ever suggested it.
Terry

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#214775 - 12/29/03 07:34 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Terry, I think your voice is a lot better than you seem to think. I hear a lot of unsureness being covered up with effects in order to sort of hide your real voice. I would strongly suggest you try less effects and put the vocal more up front.

In "Welcome to America" I was surprised at how much that reminded me of Donovan on "Sunshine Superman", one of my all time favorite albums. In fact, I have it on CD and still play it every once in a while.

Keep at it; it's not as bad as you are inclined to think. A lot of us (me included) don't originally like the sound of our voice to us, but we adjust and accept it (or quit singing, LOL) and go on about making music.

Tom

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#214776 - 12/29/03 07:42 AM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Tomcat,
Thanks for the listen and feedback, much appreciated. I guess owing to all the input here, I am going to have to go back to the old days when I did just do vocals with a bit of reverb and chorus.
Terry

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#214777 - 12/29/03 02:59 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
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Hi Terry,
That's all I do put a little treb up and a tiny bit of reverb... Sorry I've been unable to hear the songs yet. Hopefully during the new years break I'll get some time.. I don't even have time to eat these days with everyone getting new PC's for christmas and configuring wirless networks and so on... Can't complain after being un-employeed for 3 months.
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#214778 - 12/29/03 05:55 PM Re: Vocals cd "One Great Love" finished
trtjazz Offline
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DJ,
Thanks I look forward to your listen and input on the cuts.
Terry

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